Forum:The Pub

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Spotlight
Should we once apply for spotlight? 77.248.45.236 09:48, December 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * Pierlot, maybe you should check. MediaWiki:Community-corner has not even been edited once, so no the spotlight would fail. --J&bull;t 16:02, December 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * Should we make it a news thingy, or a featured article box? HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 16:32, December 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * News makes more sense. --J&bull;t 17:25, December 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * Once we get a few more users, maybe we could hold elections. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 17:42, December 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * Not with user controlled characters. 15:46, January 7, 2012 (UTC)

Years
Can I edit year pages! I will focus me on that project! Wabba The I 15:48, July 1, 2012

That would be a huge task to do, as recorded history stretches back to 535 AD. That is nearly 1500 years and it would become a mess. Alternately there is the Timeline of Brunanter History which has events for the years. I would appreciate if you could help out with that, since there are lots of events to be filled in. HORTON11 : •  16:38, June 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Whatever you decide to do, Wabba, I'm sure you'll be very diligent at it :). Nar.png Echo cho 16:52, June 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * Horton11, you have right! Echocho, look on Wikistad! That is one big mess! Wabba The I 09:58, June 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry to say it is a mess, Wabba, and because I could do very little about it (no buro rights or anything like that), I've abandoned it. Still, I had a great time on the wiki and am proud of some of the things we did there. I still enjoy 'going back' from time to time, who knows, maybe one day it 'll be brought back to life properly. Nar.png Echo cho 10:15, June 2, 2012 (UTC)

Why not have pages for each century until, suppose, 1800, and just decade pages until perhaps 1910. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 15:00, August 27, 2012 (UTC)

Interwiki Mäöres (landj.wikia.com)
I requested opening an interwiki between Mäöres and Brunant:
 * «On nation.wikia.com there is an interwiki car: leading to carrington.wikia.com. Could this interwiki be creating on landj.wikia.com as well? And vice versa, so that li: on carrington.wikia.com links to landj.wikia.com?»

--O u WTBsjrief-mich 16:23, June 13, 2012 (UTC)

That would be good. But we should also try and establish more links between the two nations. HORTON11 : •  16:29, June 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Sure, that's why we need the interwiki and a new supranational wiki organization :) --O u WTBsjrief-mich 16:53, June 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Perhaps if we had university/cultural exchanges, town twinning, etc. We could also bring companies over, like the Mertegos could be joined with Maxi and other Mäöreser companies could come here. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG
 * Sure. It would be especially nice if a Brunanter University could create a department in Mäöres as we don't really have a university :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 17:11, June 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Perhaps the RUK can open a campus in Saenteim. You'll have to help me on the Limburgish, though. And i'm sure that Mäöres can make use of Maxi, especially with the combined fuel/bank services. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 17:18, June 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem, I tend to think most English natives don't speak Limburgish, so I quite expected that :P
 * I don't know whether the bank service is possible with current regulations, but the fuel service is very welcome, as we don't have any fuel suppliers :P I'm sure we can "bend the law" to a certain degree that Maxi can open banks in Mäöres. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 17:21, June 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * The bank isn't really necessary, but perhaps an international points card, that will allow Lovian, Brunanter and Mäöreser Maxi shoppers to use in all 3 countries. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 17:32, June 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Great ideas, guys! And yeah, I find it harder to 'work' with Mäöres as well, simply because of the language. But perhaps I could have a movie or something filmed there(?). Is it open to business like that? Nar.png Echo cho 19:48, June 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeas, Limburgisch is too hard to learn, in my opinion. Also, do you think a bilingual wiki could work? HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 19:54, June 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * You mean having articles in both English and Dutch, or choosing one of those when writing an article? Nar.png Echo cho 19:59, June 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * I was thinking more like a mirroring of edits from one langage to another. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 20:05, June 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * @Echocho: I don't really get what kind of film you mean, but Mäöres is indeed open to businesses from other nations :)
 * @Horton: Bilingual wikis don't work, we've tried it in the past. It means everything has to be written twice and eventually one part of the community gives up because they feel mistreated. See: Libertas. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 16:38, June 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * Is there no system to automatically translate pages? HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 16:46, June 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * A fiction film, Oos, something co-produced with one of 'our' studios, Europa, Liberal Arts or Studio 5. Horton, writing everything twice takes up a lot of energy and time that could be used on other articles. But perhaps we could allow users who want to, to write articles in Dutch? Without any rules about having to translate it as well (or maybe just a one or two lines at the top of the page, a summary)? That way we might attract users who don't feel confident enough in English and would otherwise use Libertas? Nar.png Echo cho 17:00, June 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * Perhaps. Someone like Wabba might benefit from this. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 17:20, June 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * @Echocho: Ow :P Yes, that's possible. If you have anything "in stock", you can share it :) --O u WTBsjrief-mich 20:12, June 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * @Horton: An automatical translator for Limburgish does not exist. Dutch to English and vice versa sucks :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 20:12, June 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * @general: If you don't translate something, it gets messy. You should have one language in which everything is written. Imagine having a Dutch page that says "vijftien mensen stierven door de wervelwind op 3 mei" and another page saying "there have never been any tornadoes in the country". It's risky and to be honest, I doubt it is going to add any value. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 20:12, June 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I don't like to admit it, but good point, Oos :d. Unless... you have someone bilingual, like me, moderating to prevent stuff like that, just 'typing' out loud. Nar.png Echo cho 20:33, June 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * Imagine you become inactive and nobody can replace you :P What you are doing, in fact, is translating the articles to English anyway (albeit summarized or only in your head) :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 20:53, June 14, 2012 (UTC)

Interwiki sv.wikination
I propose to create an interwiki to and from Inselöarna. I don't think there are any objections? --O u WTBsjrief-mich 08:05, August 25, 2012 (UTC)

None whatsoever. But we should have one withg Lovia too. HORTON11 : •  13:37, August 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * That can be done as well. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 14:57, August 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * Great. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 16:01, August 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * I've just sent the request, so hopefully everything's set within a week time :) --O u WTBsjrief-mich 16:31, August 25, 2012 (UTC)

Sounds good. And don't forget the interwikis with Mäöres. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 23:29, August 25, 2012 (UTC)

There's a wiki at http://sv.nation.wikia.com/ too, though, and that isn't Inseloarna. Is that affiliated with the UWN wikis (Lovia, Brunant, Inseloarna, Maores etc.)? 77topaz (talk) 02:47, August 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * No, it was a vague idea of mine, but it never got active. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 12:06, August 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * It seems like now everyone is making a wikination, but very few actually succeed. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 12:13, August 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, if you're working on a wiki all alone, in most cases, you'll get bored pretty soon :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 14:52, August 26, 2012 (UTC)

I don't like the URL of Insel Islands. Why not ask Wikia for a move to inselöarna.wikia.com? Or perhaps inseloarna.wikia.com? I'll consult 4kant,6 about that. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 13:38, August 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * TM, ö is not possible in url.wikia.com I think. I've never seen it. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 19:15, August 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * Just checked it on : The name cannot contain special characters (like $ or @) and must be a single lower-case word without spaces. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 19:16, August 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * Anyway, you can use sv:test now, which is even shorter. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 19:16, August 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * Mmm.. Doesn't seem to work, perhaps the server is working slow again. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 19:17, August 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * Sometimes wikia can get really slow. Maybe b tomorrow it should be fixed. Also, maybe we should revive a few of the better wikinations. There are so many around but after a while people just give up on them. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 20:13, August 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * I think our community is too small. We should stay fixed to the few active wikis right now. Otherwise we risk ending up with even more inactive wikis :( --O u WTBsjrief-mich 16:25, September 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * You're right. I think with closer cooperation from the IWO we should be able to have better interwiki links. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 16:54, September 1, 2012 (UTC)

2012 Election Plan
In Brunant, we are having elections in 2012, and not again until 2016. So we should make these very good. According to my proposed Constitution, this is how they might work:

As far as I know, we are going to have separate elections for the House, Senate, and Presidency. For the House elections, according to the Constitution, lists are proposed for each parish. The seats are divided into parishes. The amount of seats (out of 200) allocated to each parish can be found at Elections in Brunant. To simplify this, I think that we should do a national election, and then divide the elected representatives into each of the parish seats. For Senate and Gubernatorial elections, the Constitution says to use Alternative Vote to elect one for each parish. That might be able to be done that way, although it might be challenging to get it all done for twelve parishes, as we don't have many active users. Presidential elections also use Alternative Vote, so that should be easy enough. Just have each party post a candidate and we can have every voter make a preferential ballot. I'll do all the calculations. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 14:59, August 27, 2012 (UTC)

Thoughts? —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 01:31, August 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * It seems good, but do you think it is possible to do such complex elections with few users here? What I was thinking (since PR elections are complicated) is to just do a fptp vote for president and senators. Then, the proportion of votes a party gets in the senate is translated to the house (users should have a nco like in Lovia). HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 12:14, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

However, Senators are per-parish. Maybe we could choose experienced users every year and make up the election? Also, it's not that hard to do an IRV vote. For example: Say there are seven candidates, a communist, a social democrat, a green, a centrist, a christian democrat, a libertarian, and a fascist. You order as many candidates as you want in a ballot.

For the best example, Yuri would write:

1. Communist

2. Social Democrat

3. Green

That's it. Note that not all seven candidates are ordered. The candidates are then ordered by number of votes. If a candidate has a majority of votes, they win. If not, elimination begins. Say that the communist had the least votes of all. The votes of that candidate are eliminated, and redistributed according to all the second choices of the voters, most of them to the social democrat. If there is no second choice, the ballot is exhausted. Eliminate, redistribute/exhausted, repeat until a candidate has a majority of votes or there are only two candidates remaining, in which case the candidate with the most votes wins. Might seem complicated, but all you have to do is post a ballot with as many candidates as you want in choice order. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 12:27, August 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * Note that in the senate there may be more than 1 person in the same party running, so how would you account for that? HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 13:00, August 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * Usually that does not happen, but if it does, they are given the same treatment, with vote redistribution, etc. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 13:25, August 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * So do you mean having separate elections for each of the parishes? HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 14:14, August 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * We don't have enough people for that, so I was thinking of hand-picking them according to the House results. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 15:21, August 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * Isn't it better to have a Lovia-style election for the senate, where the top 12 candidates are given senate seats? That way thee could be more than 1 senator from a party and house seats are redistributed as in Lovia. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 15:26, August 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * Interesting idea, but I don't think that we will have enough candidates. Also, for the house elections: A list of candidates is posted by each party, and you pick the candidates off that list. Then a PR system is used to make the house. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 17:27, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

a national parks idea
I have an idea of a national part that we can do, all underwater. It can be called Shipwreck National Park and there can be sunken ships of the romans, arabians, medievals and from the World Wars. And there will be corals and lost of wildlives. Granero (talk) 03:01, December 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, good. Wabba The I (talk) 07:39, December 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yep. chat, wabba Happy65 07:40, December 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * That would be a great idea. And shipwreck has a w in there. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 14:31, December 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * You should go ahead with this. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 17:14, January 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * I can do it tomorow, tonight it's late. Granero (talk) 03:35, January 11, 2013 (UTC)

Redesigning the thaler
Seeing as there is significant support to bring back the thaler, maybe we should think about redesigning it. There are several sites and projects focused on redesigning the national currency (Sweden just had one and there's also this: http://richardsmith.posterous.com/), so it would be nice if other could propose their own ideas for a new thaler. HORTON11 : •  15:59, December 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * Also, specifications for the note will be "Brunants Centralbank" (Country and Bank name), denomination (number and written out in Dutch/English), date, serial no. and president's signature. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 18:53, December 27, 2012 (UTC)

My idea is going on a simple and modern design and using important modern figures (ie. the past 150 years) who have contrbuted to music, the arts, politics. HORTON11 : • 16:13, December 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * Looks awesome. Happy65 18:33, December 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Do you have any ideas? HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 18:53, December 27, 2012 (UTC)

Here are some of the other notes in this series. HORTON11 : •  17:16, December 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * Great! Happy65 17:42, December 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but I just wish others would enter design ideas to make this a real contest. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 17:55, December 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * I would if I had a suitable paint program for designing currency. Happy65 08:33, December 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * I did all this using paint. But if I had photoshop, our currency would look infinitely better. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 15:39, December 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * Looks great, Horton, and I love the fact that Brunant would have a classic actor on a note! :D Echo cho 09:50, February 12, 2013 (UTC)

This is another idea I had, but I'd probably go with more historic figures. HORTON11 : •  13:20, April 9, 2013 (UTC)

AFC Awards
It's time for us to start the selection of players and managers for the league awards, to be held in June 2013. The awards for best player, youth, keeper and manager will be determined by... (how should we go about doing this)? The "best performance" award will be determined through fan voting. HORTON11 : •  15:52, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

Player of the year
This award is given out to the player with the best overall performance in the season. 10 players will be on the shortlist and there will be three finalists.


 * Antonio Florente, Mediterranean FC
 * Ibra El-Zein, Dortmund SFC
 * Alfred Kiessling, Arabian FC
 * Park Il-Sung, FC Donderar

Best goalkeeper
This award is given out to the goalkeeper with the best overall performance in the season. 5 players will be on the shortlist and there will be three finalists.
 * Stanislaus Simon, Mediterranean FC
 * Peter Boesman, FC Kings

Young player of the year
This award is given out to the player with the best overall performance in the season. 5 players will be on the shortlist and there will be three finalists.
 * Sialo Miorna, Grijzestad University S.C.
 * Justin Donis, Aurora F.C.
 * Leo Fuster, St. Marks Koningstad

Best manager
Unlike the player awards, this is given out for performances in both the league and cup. Five managers will be selected and the winner will be chosen for his leadership, skill and team performance.
 * Robert Watson, Boguestown FC
 * Oliver Temple, Mediterranean FC
 * Juan Elvira, Arabian FC
 * Otto Miorna, Grijzestad University S.C.

Individual performance
This award is given out for the best individual performance by a player in a league or cup match.

Please do not vote until we have all the nominees!!! Hans Oudberghen's excellent defending against Grijzestad (30 September) El-Zein's hat-trick against Grijzestad (17 November) Martiner's 26th second goal against Middleton (2 December)

Comments?
Voting for the best player, coach, keeper and youth will be done by voting from four media groups: The Daily Post, De Waarheid, Total Football and Salmon Brunant Post. The 26 teams (captains) will also vote. IRL we well need to divide these 30 votes between anyone interested in voting. HORTON11 : •  16:34, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

When are we going to hold the voting for this? 77topaz (talk) 06:10, May 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * 5 or 6 votes. Happy65 17:01, January 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 17:08, January 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * Wabba The I (talk) 10:00, April 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * 77topaz (talk) 07:59, April 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * MMunson-talk ( Vote SLP ) 21:11, April 28, 2013 (UTC)

Prison
I was thinking of a (high security) prison in northern Hogeberg Island, far enough from every settlement, as well as another prison (low security) in a town or city.--George the Greek (talk) 11:15, January 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * This would be a good idea, since none of the prisons we have now are of any major use (unless you want to send hardened criminals to Mermaid Island). And a prison somewhere in Central Parish would be much further away from settlements, perhaps even in the mountains. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 15:32, January 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * We could pretend a tiny island exists that is not on any map like mermaid island and use it for a prison. Happy65 16:36, January 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * I like your idea.--George the Greek (talk) 16:39, January 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * My idea was from what the americans did with Alcatraz Island. Happy65 16:41, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * We could make a small island in a harbor or bay like Roodstad. We could also put them in a prison-fortress of sorts in the Central Ranges.

Dârtsekroeansstried 2013
Registrating for the Dârtsekroeansstried 2013 is now open. This international darts competition will be held in Mäöres. All wikinations may send in their best darters to compete in the Dârtsekroeansstried 2013. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 12:46, January 15, 2013 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but we don't have any darters :( HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 13:37, January 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'd consider that a reason to create them :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 19:43, January 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * Maybe you could make one? Cause I have no idea how darts goes (usually I'm only good at team sports). HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 19:57, January 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, basically all you need to create is a page about some (often fat :P) guy with his birthplace and date, and perhaps a picture :P --O u WTBsjrief-mich 19:59, January 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * Like one of those guys that spends his days in a bar? Well give me a name suggestion and I'll make a page. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 20:05, January 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * That's the idea :P Perhaps something like Henk Sanders? --O u WTBsjrief-mich 20:11, January 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * Great, Henk Sanders it is, then. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 20:14, January 15, 2013 (UTC)

Video


Hiyah! My video! Wabba The I (talk) 18:18, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Did you know ...
 ... that footballer Willem Bergher scored a hattrick in a Micronations World Cup-game against Liechtenstein in 1984 in Koningstad? ... that businessman Davis Visser was born outside of Salisbury in Rhodesia, now Harare in Zimbabwe on New Years Eve? ... that the movie Emma was based on the book with the same name, written by Christine Bender? ... that Peitersson Precision Engineering has 135 employees over whole the country? ... that Sint-Hendrikstad is named after patron saint St. Hendrik and founder Hendrik Faariet? 

Can you do something with this? --Wabba The I (talk) 16:30, February 10, 2013 (UTC)

Yes. I can. Happy65 16:33, February 10, 2013 (UTC)

We could do a records book. HORTON11 : •  16:34, February 10, 2013 (UTC)

Greatest Brunanter
Should we do like a poll for the Greatest Brunanter person? HORTON11 : •  19:45, February 11, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yeah! Wabba The I (talk) 16:45, February 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * Now who do you suggest. One that comes to mind is King Ambroos I: statesman, father of the laws and creator of our national anthem. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 16:51, February 12, 2013 (UTC)

2013 Elections
I remember somebody (Horton, I think) a couple weeks ago in chat who was talking about possible elections this year. Our last vote was in 2009, so if we stay on the four-year cycle we're due for another round. Are there formal plans in place for this, or was somebody just throwing around ideas?

Matt (talk) 21:25, February 20, 2013 (UTC)

Elections will take place this year but we need to find a good way to hold them. What I was thinking, we hold a vote among users (like in Lovia or similar) and then we get the percentage of each user's votes and divide it up to get the house seats; users can then divide up their seats between their party or parties. We can then use the proportion of house seats/party to give out seats in the senate. HORTON11 : •  21:47, February 20, 2013 (UTC)

That sounds good. This needs to be scheduled well in advance so that everybody can be present and voting. We need to choose a random date(s) this spring/summer and stick to it, and hold the election on that date from here on out. Anybody have a good day in mind? Maybe a Brunanter holiday or something?


 * Maybe on Independence Day? Nice and symbolic.

Matt (talk) 21:59, February 20, 2013 (UTC)

I guess we could, or how about the day before, cause most people would be out drinking on the 13th. HORTON11 : •  22:05, February 20, 2013 (UTC)

Haha true. The day before sounds good.

Matt (talk) 22:07, February 20, 2013 (UTC)

Good, I want to be in the elections so vote for the Socilalist Left Party.MMunson (talk) 02:38, February 21, 2013 (UTC)

So is it official then? Should we create a 2013 Elections page? Matt (talk) 21:51, February 21, 2013 (UTC)

"Parliamentary election, 2013" is probably a better title, since there are both presidential and parliamentary elections and other election pages are "styled" that way. 77topaz (talk) 09:27, February 22, 2013 (UTC)

The nme should be 2013 General Elections, considering the previous ones followed the same style. HORTON11 : •  13:45, February 22, 2013 (UTC)

Hang on, then what is Parliamentary election, 2008? 77topaz (talk) 19:06, February 22, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, that's something Timemaster made but it's not official. I'll just move it to his userspace. 2008 was a Presidential Election year. HORTON11 : •  19:24, February 22, 2013 (UTC)

I don't think we should have elections this year, as I think we should have had the elections in 2008, not 2009. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 02:12, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

2008 was Presidential election year. HORTON11 : •  13:44, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

Campaigns
Dose anyone have ideas for a campaign or posters for the elections?MMunson-talk ( Vote SLP ) 04:26, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

Polling
Given that we don't have all the candidates/parties, here is a very general poll (I'll add some more specific ones later on). HORTON11 : •  14:06, March 7, 2013 (UTC) How are you most likely to vote in the elections? Somewhere in the left Somewhere in the right In the center

Vote SDP!
Vote now! HORTON11 : •  20:30, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

A few days away from your say.
Yes, you cannot believe it. It's time for the elections AGAIN. This time, I'm campaigning with GP. Why? Because you can get up of your seat, go to the ballot, and feel the freedom. The freedom you get when you don't look in your mailbox and see tax bills rising, when politicians aren't getting richer and the freedom of when politicians and businessman are NOT living in massive palaces whilst people are living on the streets. The GP makes sure you get low taxes, and you can live in peace and harmony.

We care for all the people of the nation. The enviroment. The scenes. The people. The nation. Vote GP! Happy65 18:46, April 9, 2013 (UTC)

James Stanton's political campaing
you can find it here

Constitution
Hey, if everyone could please read User:TimeMaster/Constitution and post their thoughts here, that would be good.

The plan for implementation is as follows (modified from a chat log): "The constitution of 1802 will be royalist and become a little more liberal in 1852. Then the stereotypical draconian king comes along and tries to make the country an absolute monarchy. This is followed by the liberal revolution, which rolled backed what the king did. The 1852 constitution is restored. The 1882 congress is elected to make a new constitution This resulted in the constitution of 1884, with the first elections for new president and congress late in the year. There is a shorter term of the president to make him serve the people more. This is followed by standard 4 year elections for president and variable elections for house and senate. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 18:20, April 14, 2013 (UTC)

=( —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 01:14, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

Do you wanna reamke all the history that was done beoffre?MMunson-talk ( Vote SLP ) 01:52, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

The elections? Mostly. The overall political system will be similar, though I think the Communist Front PMship and Presidency will be delayed until the thirties or removed altogether as there was not enough despair to lead to it. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 02:02, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

I can help you todo it, but keep the Communists to the ealy 1920's.MMunson-talk ( Vote SLP ) 02:07, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

No, there isn't enough to reason to have them in power, though they will still be a major party in Congress at the time. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 10:59, April 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * We should have them in power for at least one term (though the presidency can be removed). HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 13:05, April 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * I really don't think so -- the people would prefer a more moderate Socialist than a Communist. Though, the Communists will have ministers in a leftist government alongside Socialists and maybe others. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 20:47, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

Worrying news from Lovia
Ygo August Donia (User:The Master's Voice) is threatened to launch a military attack on Noble City with the aid of his "Brigade" of hunters, with the intent of launching a coup against King Dimitri I and taking the throne for himself, unless Dimitri abdicates before then, which is unlikely considering his OOC inactivity. How should we react to this? 77topaz (talk) 11:39, April 28, 2013 (UTC)

THB nothing, he does this for attention and to "mix things up". Nothing, or if something comes to it he will be killed and his army as well. Marcus/Michael Villanova 12:10, April 28, 2013 (UTC)

If the situation does get bad, we should probably back the government. For now we should'nt get involved. HORTON11 : •  18:42, April 28, 2013 (UTC)

We should condemn the (attempted) coup. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 18:50, April 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, but we should be careful, as Tagog and Burenia are both backing the coup it seems, and we don't want to risk an invasion. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 20:27, April 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah but Strasland can also help, our army is small but irt's trained well.MMunson-talk ( Vote SLP ) 20:55, April 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * The governments of Tagog and Burenia haven't actually made any statements regarding the coup yet as far as I'm aware; Donia only contacted them. Plus, at least one provincial governor in Burenia (Semyon) will aid any opponents of the central Burenian regime. 77topaz (talk) 21:01, April 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * We could battle with Libertas, Brunant, Strasland and Lovia against Tagog, Burenia and the Brigade. Wabba The I (talk) 16:14, April 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * @Wabba- this should only be a last resort; we should not be the ones escalating the conflict.
 * @Topaz- Donia has given his support to Tagog: "In exchange for his support I'll support him. I will need as many people as possible to declare their support for my kingship. I shall send weapons and money, be the finance guy. Smuggle it in if I have to. It'll be to our mutual benefit." HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 18:38, April 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * I was referring to the absence of statements in response to Donia, not the statements by Donia. And Donia seems to be willing to support either side in the Tagog conflict, depending on which supports him more in Lovia. 77topaz (talk) 12:37, April 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * Oos seems to support him, and Donia seems to be set on supporting the regime. And it may be to our advantage. Distance yourself from him (as the opposition) and if he does stick with Tagog's government, in Lovia I'm sure pro-government people would further want to oppose Tagog's dictator. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 15:34, April 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * Oos seems to support him, and Donia seems to be set on supporting the regime. And it may be to our advantage. Distance yourself from him (as the opposition) and if he does stick with Tagog's government, in Lovia I'm sure pro-government people would further want to oppose Tagog's dictator. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 15:34, April 30, 2013 (UTC)

But just fir fun Wabba, do you think you could draw up a plan showing our nations' military strength. Maybe our combined figures may be enough to scare off Burenia and Tagog from invading Lovia. HORTON11 : •  18:46, April 29, 2013 (UTC)


 * If we nood to create a page IWO Civil War on Wikination, I will help with the "good" troops from Libertas and Brunant and Strasland and Lovia. Libertas has a strong army. Wabba The I (talk) 14:02, April 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * We don't know if Lovia is willing to commit yet, but since it's getting invaded we should (from a Lovian standpoint) be the first to stand up. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 15:34, April 30, 2013 (UTC)

Looks like Donia is still committed to his "coup". Not sure how he intends to "take" the "crown" from Dimi (who, after all, is the founder of the wiki and has the associated powers), but if we're going to do anything, we should do it very soon. 77topaz (talk) 21:24, April 30, 2013 (UTC)

King Oscar of Strasland (me) can give support t King Dimitri and Lovia.MMunson-talk ( Vote SLP ) 22:08, April 30, 2013 (UTC)


 * Come fight me and die. I am marching on to Noble City as we speak. 61 Brigadiers counting me, a dozen or so men in the Capital plus some supporters living there. Possibly some support from Burenia and the help of a warlord from Tagog. The glorious First Consul of Rome (talk) 22:41, April 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * We have 865 solders in the Coastal infantry in Strasland, and 900 in the navy.MMunson-talk ( Vote SLP ) 02:38, May 1, 2013 (UTC)


 * So? Burenia, The Brigade and Tagog against Strasland, Libertas, Brunant and Lovia? Wabba The I (talk) 11:16, May 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * There's no need for the saber-rattling. We should do everything possible to avoid war, even you, Mr. Donia. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 13:36, May 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid it's far too late now... The glorious First Consul of Rome (talk) 14:03, May 1, 2013 (UTC)


 * You could still be the better man and end the fighting. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 14:17, May 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * :Too late. And Dimitri should be the better man and step down, ending the bloodshed. But he finds his position more important then the lives of his citizens! The glorious First Consul of Rome (talk) 14:25, May 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * Do you even think he knows this is going on? Sometimes he goes months without visiting the site. Maybe it is time he steps down, but we could just make the next guy in line King and keep them a non-user character. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 14:28, May 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * ::I will be the new King. Or we can make Bernd the new King as a non-user character but the current Lovian family and all it's hidden political power has to go. And will go. The battle is still ongoing as we speak. The glorious First Consul of Rome (talk) 18:03, May 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * Shouldn't you wait until after a referendum? HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 18:28, May 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * :::There is no King at this point, honestly. Dimitri has fled the palace. Most hostilities have ended but with ongoing police presence, I am unable to take hold of the palace or enter it. We have appeared to have gotten to a standstill and I am willing to negotiate on the next step for us to take. The glorious First Consul of Rome (talk) 19:08, May 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * Maybe a republic is the best option for Lovia now. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 19:35, May 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * Maybe it is. It all depends on what Kunarian says at this point. He is the head of the Police Force of Noble City. I made him the following proposal. Depends on what he says. Then, we will vote. The glorious First Consul of Rome (talk) 20:03, May 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * Kunarian isn't the head of state, so why should his decision be that important. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 20:18, May 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, our head of state? Oos agrees with me being King because when I get on that throne, he will be the Heretow of Oshenna. The Duke of Oceana, if you will. Kunarian's decision is important because he is the head of police, the only force keeping order and stability in the Capital at this point. The glorious First Consul of Rome (talk) 20:32, May 1, 2013 (UTC)

Guys, it seems the situation has gotten even more complicated, and now involves Brunant as well. Apparently, Bernd Donia was visiting the Donia Castle at the time of the coup, and is now being held hostage by the Southern Cross Alliance along with the rest of the Donia Clan that was at the castle. 77topaz (talk) 21:25, May 2, 2013 (UTC)

It says in The Cape Times thaqtr he's in Holland for the new King's coronaton.MMunson-talk ( Vote SLP ) 01:18, May 3, 2013 (UTC)

He could have left already; check with TMV. 77topaz (talk) 01:30, May 3, 2013 (UTC)


 * Realistically not, as he had a dinner to attend on the 1st before returning to Brunant with his wife. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 12:42, May 3, 2013 (UTC)

Hey everyone, I just added the formatting to The Greatest Brunanter selection, so feel free to propose anyone for the 5 categories. HORTON11 : •  13:04, June 24, 2013 (UTC)

Everbody we need to do a big celebration because it's almost the independence day in 9 july. --Granero (talk) 03:37, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, it would be nice to do something for out 586th birthday. There'll be a cocktail party at the embassy in Noble City Tuesday. HORTON11 : •  16:28, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

I don't want to be offensive..
... but the 2013 IWO Games are a joke - pretty much like all of IWO... I'm actually a bit disappointed :( First of all, the planning was rather disastrous from the beginning, with countries being able to sign up for sports, but as that didn't work out well, countries were - sort of - randomly grouped in certain sports. Also the time schedule was planned badly (though I'm not sure we could've done that any better). Secondly, there is no attention from other wikicountries (arguably, not even from Brunant itself) for the games, mainly because of the chaotic way things go.

I think we should learn from this experience, but I'm not sure whether these current games should continue or be cancelled. I'm pretty sure we can all agree though that the next question is to be asked: Are interwikinational relations (incl. politics etc) possibly, as we've experienced so many failures before? --O u WTBsjrief-mich 09:12, August 24, 2013 (UTC)


 * Well it seems like Lovia is the only country not really interested in IWO links, really. With Libertas and other smaller countries we've been able to establish links, conferences etc, but it seems like Lovia hasn't done this. I proposed an economic conference a while back, and no response (check my notepad for for the trade conference bit). As for the games, there was some interest but no drive, especially from other countries. Perhaps the size and complexity of the tournament was too much. If we continue with IWO sports I suggest we divide it up into different tournaments/events, ie. athletics, football, basketball etc. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 13:12, August 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm more concerned about interest in the course of the Games. After the Games started, nobody really cared for them anymore.
 * Your idea of splitting it up might work. And in fact, has been used before: Dârtsekroeansstried 2013. --O u WTBsjrief-mich 14:42, August 24, 2013 (UTC)W
 * Well, there were/are numerous problems with the Games. Granero, who'd originally been appointed as organiser for several sports, seemingly disappeared. Wabba started several events but then suddenly abandoned everything claiming no-one cared about the Games. And we (me and Horton) had not been able to agree on a method to determine the results of the individual sports. I'd be prepared to "finish" or determine the results for several of the events, but I don't think I've actually been given permission to do so. 77topaz (talk) 22:30, August 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * It's a shame though :( --O u WTBsjrief-mich 12:33, August 25, 2013 (UTC)

Strasland news
You can use this for news artilces, the offical report of the government abvout the Tagog issue.

6 nov 2013 Regeringen fordømmer Tagog - Statsminister Peter Lyndby leverede en tale i dag kritiserer Tagogisk ordning for sine grove menneskerettighedskrænkelser mod sine borgere. Statsministeren var især kritisk over for deres forsøg på at snigmyrde demokratiforkæmpere og meddelte, at regeringen vil arbejde sammen med andre nationer til at skabe en officiel embargo / State minister Peter Lyndby delivered a speech today criticizing the Tagogisk regime for its gross human rights violations against its citizens. The minister was especially critical of their attempts to assassinate democracy activists and announced that the government will work with other nations to create an official embargo.MMunson-talk ( Vote SLP ) 01:37, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Brunant in other languages
I had always assumed that Brunant would be the universal name for the country in other languages, but then I saw that in the history under the Spanish the islands were known as "Barzona", and the name would have stayed in use for modern Spanish and derivatives of it would be used in other romance languages.


 * French: Barzone - Barçon, Barçonne
 * Spanish: Barzona- Barceño, Barceña

I put down a couple of ones I thought would make sense, but what names would Brunant have in other languages? HORTON11 : •  15:40, December 6, 2013 (UTC)

From the other wikinations, we can gather that the name "Brunant" would be used in Dutch, Swedish, Danish etc. 77topaz (talk) 22:52, December 6, 2013 (UTC)

Barceño does make sense but also on Traspes there is Brunes but that's mroe similar to Brunant and not Barzona. Traspes (talk) 04:53, December 7, 2013 (UTC)

@ Topaz- That would be likely. I remember Lovia having some page or subpage for that.

@ Traspes- There'd be some spelling of Brunant (and demonyms derived from it) in romance languages but they'd be more contemporary spelling. HORTON11 : •  20:16, December 7, 2013 (UTC)

In Dutch it is "Brunanter" and "a Brunanter politician" is in Dutch "een Brunanter politicus", so the same. Wabba The I (talk) 21:15, December 7, 2013 (UTC)

Hey, would you use "oe" instead of the u for Dutch? HORTON11 : •  17:58, December 8, 2013 (UTC)

And just for interest, here is what I thought the Brunant accent would be most similar to (don't pay attention to the ad, just the voice). HORTON11 : •  15:16, December 12, 2013 (UTC)

Facebook
Can you guys here please like my new Facebook page!! It's for a game! My friends and me will really appreciate this!!! Thanks!!! Please help us!!! It's Dutch but that does not matter!!! Please invite your friends to like this!!! Thanks!!!

https://www.facebook.com/pages/HOP-HOP-Kalfskop/1457178737838178

Wabba The I (talk) 18:19, January 23, 2014 (UTC)

President?
What would you guys think about getting rid of the position of president? I feel that it is not a necessary position, given that many of the duties can be performed by the PM/Monarch, and having two heads of state is not as effective. On a realistic level, paying and alloting funds for a person who has a limited political role would also be a factor. I've added a poll to get general opinions.

Do you agree with removing the post of president, for the above and/or other reasons? Yes No

Any comments? Perhaps we could hold a referendum on the matter. HORTON11 : •  19:06, March 14, 2014 (UTC)

There seems to be enough support for this, so I'll go on to the second question:

How should we determine the removal of the post? Via a referendum A simple poll A vote in Congress

Comments are appreciated. HORTON11 : •  13:39, March 15, 2014 (UTC)

Removing the president
Do you agree with removing the post of president Yes No

This poll will close Friday at 11:00 PM European time. HORTON11 : •  16:18, March 19, 2014 (UTC)

Hey
Hey everone, I'm back!! MMunson-talk ( Vote SLP ) 04:17, March 29, 2014 (UTC)


 * Welcome back. HORTON11 : Email_icon.jpg • follow_me.PNG 13:51, March 29, 2014 (UTC)


 * Yeah, welcome back. Peter Wostor (user)  14:00, March 29, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks.MMunson-talk ( Vote SLP ) 18:07, March 29, 2014 (UTC)

WFC 2014 squad
Brunant manager Willem Bergher has released a final squad of players for WFC 2014 in Qatar. The following selected players will participate in the finals tournament barring injury.

GK- ELTEMAN, VAN KAMP, GIGGS, MARCZAK

DF- CAPELS, MARSHALL, LECAROS-LERNER, JAMIESON, PEYRANI, BAIZAT

MF- JOSTENS, NADIR, S. EL-ZEIN, MARZOUK, CARLINHOS, LOPEZ

FW- BRUNNER, I. ELZEIN, HOEVER, ASMA, NABIL, LOSINGER

HORTON11 : •  18:07, May 6, 2014 (UTC)

Tourism ads
a couple of vids for the Visit Brunant campaign. Thanks Wabba for the inspiration.



Hope you all like. HORTON11 : •  13:43, May 1, 2014 (UTC)